Comments on: Computer Says No… http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/ …If you don't like change, you're going to like irrelevance even less… Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:32:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: John Connell: the blog » Blog Archive » Filtering Blues http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-2826 John Connell: the blog » Blog Archive » Filtering Blues Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:53:23 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-2826 [...] back, before I left LT Scotland to join Cisco, Neil Winton raised the issue of inappropriate filtering on education networks. Kate Farrell has not had her [...] [...] back, before I left LT Scotland to join Cisco, Neil Winton raised the issue of inappropriate filtering on education networks. Kate Farrell has not had her [...]

]]> By: John Connell: the blog » Blog Archive » …as insecure as we can get away with… http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-355 John Connell: the blog » Blog Archive » …as insecure as we can get away with… Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:25:02 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-355 [...] ThatNeil Winton takes the issue of site-blocking and unnecessary filtering in our schools’ networks very seriously is self-evident. He is right to do so since it is a situation that places the judgement of a network manager above the judgement of a teacher as to what should and should not be admissible in the teaching and learning process. His measured words are therefore all the more striking in the light of his determination to see something done about it. [...] [...] ThatNeil Winton takes the issue of site-blocking and unnecessary filtering in our schools’ networks very seriously is self-evident. He is right to do so since it is a situation that places the judgement of a network manager above the judgement of a teacher as to what should and should not be admissible in the teaching and learning process. His measured words are therefore all the more striking in the light of his determination to see something done about it. [...]

]]> By: Eva Forbes http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-354 Eva Forbes Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:06:34 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-354 Had a flickr account for longer than I can remember but why should you know this. Eva Had a flickr account for longer than I can remember but why should you know this.
Eva

]]> By: Where to start… « Mr W’s Blogging Great Thing http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-353 Where to start… « Mr W’s Blogging Great Thing Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:57:16 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-353 [...] Computer Says ‘No’ - Neil Winton (Me!) [...] [...] Computer Says ‘No’ - Neil Winton (Me!) [...]

]]> By: Mr W http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-351 Mr W Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:42:05 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-351 Tess - Thank you very much! I'd love to discuss your take on the Glow Portal (you being a pilot amd all!)... your blog is one of my 'must reads' so I'm overwhelmed at your comments. Thank you again! Tess – Thank you very much! I’d love to discuss your take on the Glow Portal (you being a pilot amd all!)… your blog is one of my ‘must reads’ so I’m overwhelmed at your comments. Thank you again!

]]> By: Tess Watson http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-349 Tess Watson Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:50:06 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-349 Brilliant post. I am currently trying to arrance a CPD session on the use of flickr. I will link you when I write a complementing post Tess:) Brilliant post. I am currently trying to arrance a CPD session on the use of flickr. I will link you when I write a complementing post

Tess:)

]]> By: Mr W http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-348 Mr W Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:11:45 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-348 Liz - Ain't that the truth! I've just won the award for the person most likely to say: <i>"Now, this is really cool so I've sent you a link so you can look at it at home!"</i> in this year's Yearbook! Liz – Ain’t that the truth! I’ve just won the award for the person most likely to say: “Now, this is really cool so I’ve sent you a link so you can look at it at home!” in this year’s Yearbook!

]]> By: Liz O'Neill http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-347 Liz O'Neill Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:59:02 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-347 On the other hand Neil, maybe going at this from the positive side of what's available will actually turn the tide. I appreciate what you are saying however. It is a little difficult to share stuff with your colleagues when you have to keep saying 'Now you can't access that in school...' On the other hand Neil, maybe going at this from the positive side of what’s available will actually turn the tide. I appreciate what you are saying however. It is a little difficult to share stuff with your colleagues when you have to keep saying ‘Now you can’t access that in school…’

]]> By: Pushing at an open door at Jonesieblog http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-346 Pushing at an open door at Jonesieblog Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:51:52 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-346 [...] So, the future’s looking rosy, right?  Well, not necessarily.  The nightmare scenario is that every class in Scotland is given a bland, “Education Scotland” branded blog over which they have no control in terms of look-and-feel, and that a restrictive, risk averse blogging policy is created that forbids class blogging outwith this environment and implements a heavy-handed filtering system to censor access to blogs and who can post comments on them. We’ve seen exactly this kind of approach taken to Web1.0 in education. Neil points this out in “Computer Say No” and goes on to examine the causes and possible solutions.  Unless we actively engage with decision makers in educational IT at an authority level and try to persuade them to be less risk averse, we are bound to see these policies repeated.  What is the person who believes Flickr, Blogspot and Youtube should be blocked going to think when they realise that a blog is a place where anyone in the world can write a comment?  No chance.  Wikis?  You must be joking! We are still under the radar now.  The struggle to keep the door open to Web2.0 in education has not yet begun. [...] [...] So, the future’s looking rosy, right?  Well, not necessarily.  The nightmare scenario is that every class in Scotland is given a bland, “Education Scotland” branded blog over which they have no control in terms of look-and-feel, and that a restrictive, risk averse blogging policy is created that forbids class blogging outwith this environment and implements a heavy-handed filtering system to censor access to blogs and who can post comments on them. We’ve seen exactly this kind of approach taken to Web1.0 in education. Neil points this out in “Computer Say No” and goes on to examine the causes and possible solutions.  Unless we actively engage with decision makers in educational IT at an authority level and try to persuade them to be less risk averse, we are bound to see these policies repeated.  What is the person who believes Flickr, Blogspot and Youtube should be blocked going to think when they realise that a blog is a place where anyone in the world can write a comment?  No chance.  Wikis?  You must be joking! We are still under the radar now.  The struggle to keep the door open to Web2.0 in education has not yet begun. [...]

]]> By: Mr W http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-344 Mr W Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:20:29 +0000 http://nwinton.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/computer-says-no/#comment-344 Liz - In general, I agree that there are teachers who have been doing the same thing year after year without change... but I was pleasantly surprised to see one of these particular teachers recently get a new lease of life and enthusiasm courtesy of signing up for an accredited course as part of her CPD. It gives me hope that perhaps you can teach an old dog new tricks... but only if: Joe - ('s) point about management is addressed. While my post above is about the problems for teachers, my premise was about the problems we as teachers have accessing the tools because of filtering by people who are too scared of either a) the internet, or b) their positions, to trust teachers. I really do feel that so much of the filtering that goes on in schools is a sign of a complete lack of trust in an individual teacher's professionalism. It is to my regret that I didn't really make as much of that particular point when I was speaking to LTS... Liz – In general, I agree that there are teachers who have been doing the same thing year after year without change… but I was pleasantly surprised to see one of these particular teachers recently get a new lease of life and enthusiasm courtesy of signing up for an accredited course as part of her CPD. It gives me hope that perhaps you can teach an old dog new tricks… but only if:

Joe – (’s) point about management is addressed. While my post above is about the problems for teachers, my premise was about the problems we as teachers have accessing the tools because of filtering by people who are too scared of either a) the internet, or b) their positions, to trust teachers. I really do feel that so much of the filtering that goes on in schools is a sign of a complete lack of trust in an individual teacher’s professionalism. It is to my regret that I didn’t really make as much of that particular point when I was speaking to LTS…

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